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PostSubject: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:40 pm




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Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it's an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling.

The revamp, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren't usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they're simply trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market.

The move comes as small car sales are on the rise in the U.S., and more people choose them because of worries about gas prices and car payments. Compacts also are no longer the cramped econoboxes of the 1980s and 1990s, and they have many of the same amenities as larger cars.

The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said it was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted "Recommended Buy" rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car's sales ranked fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November.

The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, says David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports.
"The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas," says Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version.

Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak due to a manufacturing error.

Honda has told dealers a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of next year. The car starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors.

American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said Tuesday that the company will improve the Civic's drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car.

"It's about how do we get two or three laps ahead of the competition," says American Honda Executive Vice President John Mendel.


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In the past two years, the usual compact-car race between the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla became a free-for-all that included high-quality entries from Chevrolet, Ford and Hyundai.

The competition will be good for buyers because companies will offer better small cars and could discount them as the competition heats up, Mendel said. He said Honda would continue to show restraint on discounts, selling its products based on their value rather than price.

The battle between the Civic and Corolla for the rank of top-selling compact in the U.S. was also upset by the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan. The disasters disrupted production, and output was again hampered by flooding in Thailand in the summer.

Honda production only recently returned to normal, and Mendel doesn't expect dealers to be fully restocked until March.

At the same time, the competition has rolled out new models like the well-received Chevrolet Cruze, Hyundai Elantra and Ford Focus.

From May through November, the only full months that the new Civic was in showrooms, the car's sales were nearly 109,000. The Cruze led the way at almost 140,000, followed by the Corolla at 118,000, and the Elantra at 110,000.

But last month, with supplies moving toward normal after the earthquake and floods, the Civic led all compacts in sales, according to Autodata Corp.

Despite the criticisms, the Civic still has a strong following of loyal customers, says Jeff Dyke, executive vice president of operations for Charlotte, North Carolina-based Sonic Automotive Inc., a dealership chain that includes Honda dealers.

"I can't keep one on my lot," he says


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:27 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:40 pm

IMO this needs to happen regardless... Honda has just about killed the civic! I've never been a big fan of the K series engines anyway.... I want the old B16's and H22's back! lol, one can dream right??


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:29 pm

Honda really needs to bring us another performance ride - they take away the Honda S2K and left the line without a replacement. The Fit in 2013 is suppose to be going hybrid - we will see how well that goes. Honda really needs to step up their game and they have not for a while. It is good to see them going back to the drawing board to make it better.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:13 am

I agree Cat.... killing the S2k was horrible.. but then again Acura is bringing back the NSX


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:45 pm

why arent you a fan of the k series engines, IMO they're the best thing honda has made for the smaller cars, plenty of HP and now more torque, which the B and H engines lacked.
I agree completely about the s2k though.

As for acura, i've always liked the styling of the acuras over the honda's and the fact the NSX is being reborn is pretty cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:38 pm

Dunno what happened to the engines, or the codes Honda uses for them. I know that we had a 91 Integra with the DOHC 1.8 and it was pretty quick, but my sis has a 95 Accord with a 2.2 VTEC and it has almost no power at all. Has to downshift twice to go up hills, where our Subaru 2.2 will do it in overdrive at under 2k rpm. I think its the same engine that Preludes used for a while and I've heard its good but I dunno. And from there on I don't really have any experience, although I've heard good things about the S2000 engine.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:29 pm

the motor you had in the Teg was a B18 most likely, which if it was that's the GSR motor... the new k series motors only have vtec on one side of the head... not both like the older engines, therefor power and performance went down hill bad... I'm still an old school vtec junkie.. I'll take the Si prelude H22 over the k series krap anytime.


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:01 am

2.4 over 2.2 anyday, dont get me wrong i like the ludes it just sucks they have the h22 but those K series engines can be pretty nasty when built right, why do you think everyone in the honda realm swaps k24's into their car.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:20 am

yea, I've just never been crazy bout the k24's... like I said earlier, I just think Honda has shot its self in the foot and ruined a good thing.


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:37 pm

when it comes to styling i couldnt agree more
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:00 am

The Civic lacks the details and technology compare to the competition. The new Accords looks good but they are much heavier and uses a lot more gas. They need more performance based vehicles that are affordable. I doubt anyone on the forum can afford the new NSX and there lies the problem. Honda has been going downhill for some time now and I don't see it getting better until they changed their current lineup.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:17 pm

Hondas saving grace on their older models was light weight. In the current environment, its probably not going to get any lighter.
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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:54 pm

def not going to get better.... power to weight ratio


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PostSubject: Re: Honda scrambles to revamp Civic   Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:56 am

yeah the new small dodge cars also suffer the same issue, small engines + EPA efficiency + lots of weight = performance turd. problem is with all the new safety and creature comforts its damn near impossible to get the weight of previous models without using exotic materials which drive up cost, so obviously they arent going to go that route.
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