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PostSubject: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:32 pm

i got a question for all.. what would be better for my 05 accord 2.4L K24 motor, a supercharger or turbo?? or just say screw it and do both?? lol it doesnt matter to me just want some input on which would be better
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:51 pm

I like superchargers cause the power is always there, but what would you be using this for? would you want power all at once? like with a turbo? or would you want constant on demand power? Probably get better gas mileage with a turbo considering the cost of fuel lately.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:55 pm

I have always been a supercharger fan but if you say do both.......then you might want to go that route. You then have the instant power of a supercharger and the upper end boost of a turbo. The supercharger would definitely help get you past any turbo lag. Just my thoughts.


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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:03 pm

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I have always been a supercharger fan but if you say do both.......then you might want to go that route. You then have the instant power of a supercharger and the upper end boost of a turbo. The supercharger would definitely help get you past any turbo lag. Just my thoughts.

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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:03 pm

yeah thats true on the turbo lag, im just trying to make my car as B.A. as possible and be able to beat any car on the road and still look somewhat stock (sleeper) lol all my money will be going into the car!!! lol
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:06 pm

Beating most cars is possible, any car is unlikely. We got a vette and a challenger on here that I am convinced were former nasa shuttles. They are fastttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

However, I drive a slow car.. it just looks quick.

How much you thinking about dropping in your car money wise? When you planning on doing the work? Their is a turbo company on grafton road that Morgan's dad was telling me about at the meet and greet.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:10 pm

itll get there lol by the time im done with the motor it should have around 400 450 hp lol ill take that vette and the challenger on any day but just not right now hahaha my little cars got alot of torque, just needs some TLC on the HP part lol
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:13 pm

and the money part im planning on droping close to 10K if not more, it really doesnt matter to be, but not all at once lol im not rich hahaha within like a year to a year n half i should be all done with the motor
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:15 pm

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itll get there lol by the time im done with the motor it should have around 400 450 hp lol ill take that vette and the challenger on any day but just not right now hahaha my little cars got alot of torque, just needs some TLC on the HP part lol

Okay, I hope your kidding.

The vette is running 10 second 1/4 miles and I seen the Challenger outrun a Ferrari F430. I rode in both cars, and they are some of the fastest cars I have ever seen that were still allowed on the street.

You probably can beat alot of cars with 450hp, but you would have your hands full with 9 and 10 second cars in the 1/4.

On top end I think that vette's supposed to do 220mph with the current mods. Thats insane fast for WV Roads. You gonna race it at the flashlight drags on June 19th? I think they are both gonna be there for those races. You could check them out then.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:33 pm

It's a 4 cylinder. Turbo it.

Edit - 4 hundred and some hp is not going to beat that vette or challenger.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:38 pm

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It's a 4 cylinder. Turbo it.

Edit - 4 hundred and some hp is not going to beat that vette or challenger.

The vette is 600+ HP and the Challenger is 950+ HP.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:12 pm

dlinsbeck wrote:
I have always been a supercharger fan but if you say do both.......then you might want to go that route. You then have the instant power of a supercharger and the upper end boost of a turbo. The supercharger would definitely help get you past any turbo lag. Just my thoughts.


I would suggest turbo. I've been in some Turbo 2.4s that make my car look stupidly slow, but its all how its built. As for both, I don't really see the point. I mean for a 2.4L, you aren't going to be putting a HUGE turbo on it that you would need to compensate for much lag. Yea you will have a little bit of lag off the line with any turbo, but once you are going, you should always be in the boost if you want to be the whole way up through the gears. And like Scott said, if you don't want to be in the boost, you can control that just as well by keeping your foot out of it.

But just my opinion, unless you are going crazy big on the turbo, then you should only need one turbo that is sized properly. I think you would be investing more money in both than you would getting back in HP. Save your money, size the turbo right, do cams, methanol injection, get a good tune, and crank the boost WAY up

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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:28 pm

05Accord wrote:
itll get there lol by the time im done with the motor it should have around 400 450 hp lol ill take that vette and the challenger on any day but just not right now hahaha my little cars got alot of torque, just needs some TLC on the HP part lol

Be carefull what you wish for. ;)

Here is my opinion. Superchargers ruled the forced induction scene for a long time on aftermarket builds. However, most of the big power cars are going turbo nowadays. Both have pros and cons. On small displacement engines I think turbo wins hands down.

The biggest problem with running FI is heat. It is the enemy of both superchagers and turbos but moreso with turbos..... Especially a front mount turbo because you are taking hot exhaust and bringing it into your engine bay. So that heat along with the heat within the combustion chamber from the extra air/fuel being compressed is not your engines freind. A rear mount turbo keeps the exhaust heat out of the engine bay but there are some drawbacks to it to.

A big pro for the turbo is it doesnt draw any power away from the engine to spin the turbo. A supercharger is belt driven so the engine has to work extra to spin the supercharger.

If you do go supercharger you will want to go with a roots vs a centrifugal. I will have to find the article I read as to why but it has something to do with low end torque.

A supercharger will give you the bottom end but will lack the mid range punch that a turbo gives you. A turbo will scream from the middle RPM range to redline but turbo lag causes you to have very little boost at low RPM since you car is not putting out enough exhuast to spool the turbo.

Cost can be similar but a turbo build usually gives you more boost for less money. I dont know what your stock internals can handle but to make the kind of power you want I am guessing you will need forged pistons at least. To go along with engine upgrades you will need some other supporting mods through your drivetrain. If you get grippy tires your transmision and axles will hate you. Wheel hop is an issue with front wheel drive cars so you would need aftermarket springs or coilovers to help with that. I think you can make it a bad ass car for well under $10K though.

This is about all I know.....and it could be totaly wrong. Kisner is just getting back from vacation tonight. Hopefully he will chime in and I'm sure we all will be reading with a notepad in hand. He will tell you exactly what you need. If you want, PM me your number and I will have him call you.


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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:33 pm

BTW- we need more threads like this!!! :wootwoot:




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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:37 pm

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I would suggest turbo. I've been in some Turbo 2.4s that make my car look stupidly slow, but its all how its built. As for both, I don't really see the point. I mean for a 2.4L, you aren't going to be putting a HUGE turbo on it that you would need to compensate for much lag. Yea you will have a little bit of lag off the line with any turbo, but once you are going, you should always be in the boost if you want to be the whole way up through the gears. And like Scott said, if you don't want to be in the boost, you can control that just as well by keeping your foot out of it.

But just my opinion, unless you are going crazy big on the turbo, then you should only need one turbo that is sized properly. I think you would be investing more money in both than you would getting back in HP. Save your money, size the turbo right, do cams, methanol injection, get a good tune, and crank the boost WAY up

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All you need is a pully and tune and your car is rediculous!!!!!! You are killing me because all that power is right there for you. If you do it I promise you will never quit smileing when you drive it. :) lol


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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:59 pm

How to bypass turbo lag - 2 step/wot box

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full boost off the line.

you will make the most power on a 4 cylinder with a turbo. i have a twin scroll turbo and there is practically no lag.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:52 am

hondas love turbos so turbo it. talk to jarvis on the other sites he is the honda god of WV lol. maybe you get him to sign up on here too.


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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:27 pm

I would talk to that generous group of guys who are building your car for you, espescially the one who will be doing the forced induction stuff. see what they say, id even bet they have some spare turbo parts laying around...... :wink6:
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:37 pm

05Accord wrote:
and the money part im planning on droping close to 10K if not more, it really doesnt matter to be, but not all at once lol im not rich hahaha within like a year to a year n half i should be all done with the motor

I can't help but ask, why drop 10k into the motor alone?
Have you priced/sourced parts or anything like that yet?
The beauty of your application is their is a wealth of knowledge at your disposal with these motors. What are your long-term goals, plans, etc with this car?
Thats quite a bit of $$ to drop in the motor of any car so you may want to take that into account before you really dive into it. And I am not trying to deter you at all but after 10+ years of being in the automotive scene I see so much money get wasted because a game plan wasn't set in place.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:39 pm

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05Accord wrote:
and the money part im planning on droping close to 10K if not more, it really doesnt matter to be, but not all at once lol im not rich hahaha within like a year to a year n half i should be all done with the motor

I can't help but ask, why drop 10k into the motor alone?
Have you priced/sourced parts or anything like that yet?
The beauty of your application is their is a wealth of knowledge at your disposal with these motors. What are your long-term goals, plans, etc with this car?
Thats quite a bit of $$ to drop in the motor of any car so you may want to take that into account before you really dive into it. And I am not trying to deter you at all but after 10+ years of being in the automotive scene I see so much money get wasted because a game plan wasn't set in place.

AGREED

I would say plan a rally car, drag car, or even an autocross car. Then build to suit that, cause odds are you can build the car you want for cheaper, espeically if your not building a drag car. You could have so much fun with it autocrossing and put 10,000 in the car total, suspension and everything and have one fun car.
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PostSubject: Re: 05 Accord Supercharger or Turbo charger???   Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:06 pm

all i got to say is im taking in everything everyone is saying and im going the turbo rout lol.. well also since my great group of friends just have the parts in the garage lol sooo thatll help also and yeah im pretty sure imma keep it a sleeper for now just do some little things that is going to be required, like suspension, tires, ext.. and on that comment about the vette and challenger,,,,,,,, ummmmmm yeah ill defntly race but ya cant leave 3rd gear hahahaha and give me 4 car lengths!! lol thanks for all the input guys.. its been a great help for a new guy like me that loves cars.. much apreciated!!
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